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      CommentAuthorOK Comics
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2011
     
    They've kept it a bit quiet, but DC seem to be relaunching all their comics, including Hawk and Dove, in September.
    Some see this as a great jumping on point, some as a full stop to their DC habit.

    What say you?
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    I think it's a little soon to judge everything just based on the relaunch. I know it feels like a reboot right now but a lot of the story descriptions seem to be following on from what's gone before (like Hawk and Dove, as it states she's in love with Deadman, and Justice League International), so no reason to stop reading.
    Looks like this is all going to be following on from the timey-wimey Flashpoint, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is nothing worse than 'one year later' (which some people I know were fearful of at the time), some things returning to normal eventually as Barry or Booster sorts them out. I'll wait and see if they're any good before passing judgement, as I'm not going to condemn comics I haven't read yet.
    • CommentAuthorrah
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2011
     
    It looks more like everyting that Johns has worked on is staying the same and everything he hasn't is changing to how he wants it.
    • CommentAuthorrah
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2011
     
    And Hawk and Dove is being drawn by Liefeld so they've ruined it before it had a chance.
    • CommentAuthorLee
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2011
     
    As I said in the shop t'other day, but reproduced here for the benefit of the messageboarders, I think it could go either way. It seems a shame that two of the very few comics that honour their history by not having had a new number one every five minutes (Action and Detective) will restart, but apparently new launches work really well, so if DC gain more readers than they lose, then I guess they call that a win.

    Personally, I only buy three DC comics (as opposed to every in-continuity book Marvel spit out). Detective Comics I'm buying as I was interested in Scott Snyder's stories. They've been good, so I may continue to buy Snyder/Batman if it looks interesting. Superman I buy for no clear reason and will probably ditch. Power Girl has been consistently good, throwback fun, and I'll keep getting it as long as it stays enjoyable.

    My interest in other DC characters is at best limited, so I can't imagine that I'll suddenly start buying everything else. Although, Liefeld's pencils are always...tantalising?
    • CommentAuthorcleffa
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2011 edited
     
    WHAT is Harley's new design. I mean seriously, WHAT IS THAT. It is NOTHING like Harley at all...

    I have a LOT of feelings about the way the Batgirls, particularly Babs and her disability (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/oracle-is-stronger-than-batgirl-110606.html - that sums up my fears pretty well, as a disabled woman myself too. I've read Gail Simone's response but it really doesn't allay my fears about it), are being treated but if I start on that rant I'll never shut up about it.
    Mostly I am going to be treading into it feeling VERY cynical about the way the more diverse members of the DCU, particularly the women, will be treated by this reboot.
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    @Lee: "Tantalising" is not a synonym for "cockawful".

    I am completley befuddled by it all. But I know I am pleased at the thought of Azzarello and Chiang on Wonder Woman (not literally, dirty minds) and am probably the only person who will be buying the Giffen OMAC thing. OMAC! OMAC is back! Get BACK! It's an OMAC attack! OMAC - created by JACK! OMAC! One! Man! Army! Corps! OMAC!

    And: Morrison and Rags Morales are putting ACTION COMICS back on my list! Oh, to read a Superman comic that isn't "tantalising"! How nice.

    I'm a bit sad JONAH HEX is being put down and replaced by ALL-STAR WESTERN. Sure, it'll still have old Jonah in it but he's going to be in Gotham and well, y'know...BUT! I've heard there will be backups with DC's other Western heroes starring. El Diablo! Scalphunter! Martian Cowboy! Cowboy Flash! Could be worse, he could be in the future! Haw!

    OMAC!
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    Isn't this where everything has actual release date rather than (for want of a better description) sell by date on the cover? Or is that just the digital releases?
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      CommentAuthorOK Comics
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2011
     
    Hmm. I don't know about that. Maybe DC will change the dates on the comics to coincide with the actual release date.

    There are a few that seem pretty interesting, All Star Western, Men of War and a few others. But a few that seem pretty pointless, Mister Terrific, Tantalising Hawk and Dove.

    A lot of people are already ordering a lot of the new issue 1's. So that's good.
    As far as I know DC haven't actually come out an said why they're doing this, just that they are.
    I wonder, as DC have established 52 Earths and there are coincidentally 52 new comics, does this mean that each series is set in a different reality, and that the Superman in Action Comics and the Superman in Superman are different? They do look different...
    http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/DC-Comics-Relaunch-Action-Comics-1-2011.jpg
    http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Superman-1-2011.jpg
    A few customers are expecting everything to go back to normal after a few months. Some people think that the whole DC line has just been given the Ultimate Marvel treatment, and after the success of Superman Earth One, that kind of makes sense.
    Six or eight months from now there will be volumes 1 of 52 new graphic novel series, all a fresh entry point for new readers, just like Earth One.

    What do you think?
    Is anybody going to drop DC 'paper' comics completely and just read them online.
    (Incidentally, I read a graphic novel on my laptop yesterday. It's just not the same is it?)
    • CommentAuthorLee
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2011
     
    Somebody please reassure me they're not changing Superman's costume. Especially not to jeans and a t-shirt!

    I can't see me embracing digital comics, but I suppose you never know.
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    I think Superman can exist in 52 different realities at once, wear a mankini and reboot hinself from his base constituents up every 6 issues as long as the comic's good. That's all I'm bothered about. No, not Superman in a mankini, smartypants! Good comics, that's all. Just decent will do at a push, actually I'm not proud. I'm not going Digital by the way.

    I hope new readers come in wave after wave like some cash fuelled horde of J-Red enrichers!
    • CommentAuthorhes2010
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2011
     
    digital comics are against god and nature.
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      CommentAuthorOK Comics
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2011
     
    We have a customer who spends about £100 a week. He gets every comic published by DC. He has every DC comic since Crisis on Infinite Earths.
    He's just cancelled his order for DC Comics.

    We have another customer who has been getting Batman and Detective since 1966, when Adam West was on the TV. he rang the shop last week wondering what to do next, wondering why DC would cancel such long running and popular series.

    Meanwhile, we continue to receive order after order for all the new series. All of them.
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    Even OMAC?
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      CommentAuthorOK Comics
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2011
     
    Yes he cancelled his order for OMAC, and yes lot's of new people are now ordering OMAC!
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    He cancelled his order for OMAC?!? Dude, the last issue came out in about 1975! At least he mulled it over for a while before bringing the axe down, I guess.Can't argue that 36 years of mulling is fair.

    So, on balance the new orders are more than the cancelled orders? that would be good wouldn't it. For you, not DC.

    Also, the fact that the people ordering OMAC are "new people" is so thematically apt it's genius. I'm really looking forward to OMAC. You can't tell can you?

    Are a lot of people ordering ALL STAR WESTERN? That is, more than already order JONAH HEX? Because that's the idea isn't it? More readers?

    OMAC!
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      CommentAuthorOK Comics
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2011
     
    1975? How come I remember it then?
    Didn't John Byrne perfect the concept a few, probably 15, years ago? Wasn't there a post Final Crisis OMAC series? Have I been at the bookbinding glue again and inve ....Mr's Lamont Cranston just came in mid sentence... nted new memories?
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    Wow. That was a really, um, unfortunate way of putting that bit about Margot.

    OMAC! OMAC! Now I have you talking about OMAC! You fell into my OMAC trap!

    I haz comics! And a big (really BIG) Alex Toth book! Cheers to you all!
    • CommentAuthorrjw5
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2011
     
    Digital comics are no good they dont have the same feel you cant beat traditional comics. and as for the new superman outfits. mmmm not so sure about the jeans how long before they admitt they made a mistake??
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      CommentAuthorOK Comics
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2011
     
    Lamont. That Toth book is the first part of a series. You are now committed to an ongoing publishing project. Kudos.
    Sorry to hear about Gene Colan. I know you were close.

    The DC customers orders continue to roll in. I''ll be placing my bulk order for the shop stock over the next few weeks so if you don't want to miss out, place your order now!
    There's a full list here... http://www.okcomics.co.uk/?pageid=9
    Or you can email shop@okcomics.co.uk to receive a order form in your inbox!
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      CommentAuthorOK Comics
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2011
     
    We've had lots of orders for the new DC comics. I thought you may like to see a top ten of most ordered comics...
    1. Action Comics
    2. Batman
    3. Green Lantern
    4. Detective Comics
    5. Batman and Robin
    6. Justice League
    7. Green Lantern Corps, Red Lanterns and Green Lantern: New Guardians are all about equal
    8. Wonder Woman
    9. The Flash
    10. Batman Dark Knight

    No massive surprises.

    There isn't a single series on the list of 52 that hasn't been ordered, but, for anyone who's interested, the lowest ordered titles are Deathstroke, I Vampire and Mister Terrific.
    No massive surprises there either.
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    Why is it that DC are so terrible at maintaining a coherent history for their characters, Marvel have managed to get away with having their characters age gradualy over the last almost 50 years and they've only blown up the universe a couple of times...
    • CommentAuthorLee
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2011
     
    Do most of the pre-orders constitute improved sales on these books for OK?
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    Re: the Toth book. Glorious bit of production by IDW (although nowhere as classy as Fantagraphics Mickey Mouse collection) but is it true that the slipcase comes with the third volume?

    And one passing thought ~ three volumes for Toth, one forgetable volume for Kirby?
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      CommentAuthorOK Comics
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2011
     
    I guess they think that Toth is a bit of an under appreciated master. The first book is amazing.

    Lee, most of the pre-orders do constitute increased sales for DC comics at OK. For instance we have twice as many people ordering All Star Western than order Jonah Hex, even though it's pretty much the same book...
    As for month two... who knows!

    Smiggy, It does seem that DC are constantly painting themselves into a continuity corner, doesn't it. DC's reboots do seem to be more obvious and in your face than the casual forgotten deaths, re-gigged origins and deals with Mephisto at Marvel.

    If this whole think makes it easier for people to get into Superman, Batman, Mister Terrific etc, then it's good thing.
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    Really they should just relaunch all the tiles with issues #1 but keep the same continutety, just a different volume...
    • CommentAuthorLee
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2011
     
    The word 'slipcase' reminds me of my Calvin & Hobbes hardback collection thing (in a slipcase) which is not only the best thing in a slipcase, it is a contender for best thing ever.

    Why are DC so rubbish at continuity? It can't just be because of the age of the characters, as they're now at the stage where they're rebooting reboots. Is it driven by a desire to sort out a tangled mess or a constant search for sales spikes?
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      CommentAuthorOK Comics
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2011
     
    I think DC could continue they way they have been, and keep selling comics to comic fans... but it seams to me that they've got their eye on the future. Streamlining stories to make them more accessible to new audiences and mediums has got to be a good idea, from an ongoing business point of view.

    If DC don't change with the times, in five or ten years they may not be publishing anything at all. That's no good.

    DC are making the new series available digitally on the same day that they are released in the shops. So if you live Antarctica you can read the same stuff that people at OK Comics are reading, at the same time they're reading it.
    Yeah, I know a lot of people who will never give up on paper comics, but if you'd told me 10 years ago that people would stop buying CD's in favour of digitally downloading music and storing it in a thing that fits in their pocket, it would have seamed a bit far fetched. There's a whole generation of technically savvy kids who don't care about the ownership of stuff. They don't have collections of CD's, cassettes or vinyl records and they wont collect comics either.
    If the supply, paid for legally or otherwise, takes off, DC will be able to offer their entire line of comics going right back to issue 1. In five or ten years, that'll be a lot of comics...

    Also. About six or eight months from now, there will be 52 new graphic novels. All volume number one's. All entry level story's. Just like Superman Earth One.
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    "Streamlining stories to make them more accessible to new audiences and mediums has got to be a good idea, from an ongoing business point of view."

    I agree. But wasn't that the idea behind Ultimate Comics? That seems to have crashed and burned after a promising start.

    I think the problem with digital comics at the moment is that they are just putting the paper comics page on a screen. Not only does this not work as well (because they weren't designed for that) its completely wasting the attributes of digital presentation. I think you are more likely to see comics kind of branch off into a new kind of comic for the digital age, whilst also keeping going in print. Kind of like the difference between a "comic book" and a newspaper "comic strip" - looks similar but actually use very different techniques.

    See my blog for more DC reboot thoughts (plug plug) - http://givemecomicsorgivemedeath.blogspot.com/2011/06/starting-all-over-again-with-dc-comics.html
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      CommentAuthorOK Comics
    • CommentTimeJul 12th 2011
     
    We now have more pre-orders for Action Comics #1 than we've ever received for a DC comic. Ever.
    That includes All Star Batman and Robin!
    • CommentAuthorCaptain Si
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2011
     
    Well, as DC have gone out of their way to make a pig's ear of Batgirl (jettisoning Stephanie and making Barbara Gordon no longer disabled) I shan't be continuing with that. I'm too devoted to the current Batgirl now to think of anyone else in the role. Jesus, is this how hardcore Doctor Who fans feel..? Also, I've been looking for an excuse to drop Birds Of Prey and this looks like it's it.

    Incidentally, just what is Batwing? Surely its not the ongoing adventures of the flying batmobile..?

    Might switch allegiance to Batwoman though, give that a whirl. Other than that, I don't think there's anything I'm excited by.


    Good for DC encouraging new readers, just bad for me. It feels far too soon to be letting go of another comic I've dearly enjoyed. SIgh.
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      CommentAuthorOK Comics
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2011
     
    I thought you were a hardcore Doctor Who fan.

    Batwing is the adventures of the African Batman from Batman Inc. I think.
    Batwoman is a safe bet. The last story, in Detective Comics, was ace.
    You should also check out Batman. Scott Snyder's writing it, and I have yet to read a bad comic by him. He's doing Swamp Thing too. I've never read Swamp Thing, but this should be a great 'entry level' book...

    Anybody not at least checking out the first issue of Grant Morrison's Action Comics needs to take a step back from their life and have a good think.
    The first thing people say when I suggest a Superman comic is "I don't like superman, he's too goody goody, and too powerful". It looks like these are the elements that Morrison will be addressing!!!
    • CommentAuthorLee
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2011
     
    I've had a look at my life and decided one (and only one) of the following:

    - Grant Morrison is an honest-to-goodness genius
    - I'd read Wolverine comics if he wasn't too stabby stabby and too short
    - kittens rule!

    NB Superman IS goody goody and powerful. That's not a flaw, anymore than Batman is too creepy creepy and detectivey.

    PS I'm weak! My Shield Of Anti-Morrison successfully deflected the crapulous Superman reimagining, but left me susceptible to a host of Batman comics. I hope the various writers address the fact that his alter ego is offputtingly Brucey Brucey and too Wayne...
    • CommentAuthorhes2010
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2011
     
    grant morrison has described the new superman as like bruce springstein he's got my vote all ready
    • CommentAuthorgavcoyle
    • CommentTimeOct 13th 2011
     
    Don't know if this is the right place to post this, but here goes. Does anyone know where I can get justice league #1? I live in Crewe and there are some comic shops around but everyone I have been to has been out of stock..
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      CommentAuthorOK Comics
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2011
     
    We'll have Justice League 1 back in stock next week, and issue 2 too.
    • CommentAuthorPauls
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2011
     
    After 3 issues I am really enjoying swamp thing, animal man and grifter. Especially issue 3 of swamp thing stood out.

    Also enjoyed all star western and the artwork in I, vampire so will keep with these for a few more issues.
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      CommentAuthorOK Comics
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2011
     
    I Vampire looks like it's going to Gotham. The Batman graffiti poses some interesting questions...

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