Has anyone picked up the latest Xmen: Pheonix Warsong? There's a scene where Wolverine has had his skin practically burnt off by one of the cuckoos and then in the next frame is wearing his full x-suit and is looking showered and foil-packed fresh as a daisy. Now, i'm depserately trying to ignore this continuity cock-up but can't. I mean, the artist must have known but was just too lazy to redraw the frame, right? The art generally is excellent so i'm not too upset but you do wonder don't you?!
Are there any other blatent continuity cock-ups kicking about?
Every other issue with the myriad of x-men comics there are. And when you get characters that have their own title and they're in a team title you wonder how they fit in saving the world and taking care of their own personal business into a day, maybe they have excellent agents.
Don't you think that continuity becomes a problem when you consider the overall number of titles published by a company. If you read some of Marvel's Essential collections reprinting comics from the sixties and seventies there were little side bars and foot notes that clarified and cross referenced appearances, which in many respects helped create a Marvel Universe. There's a good chance that this came about because all the comics were read by one editor whether it was Stan Lee or Roy Thomas. There were still gaffs but I'm damn sure not as many as there are today.
yes there are way too many titles published and cross overs and team titles and solo tiltles nowadays.
I mean, how Wolverine is in the X-Men, The New Avngers, Solo adventures and team ups all at the same time is mind boggling really.
Still, his healing factor has now excellaretaed to allow him to grow back from a skeleton, but he shouldn't have been able to get a new costumae so fast I'd think.
How come it took him longer to heal back in the old days then? I mean one big cut and he had to take awhile to heal and now he comes back from a skeleton in seconds?
I thought it only became increased after Magneto tore is adamantium from him and then it just remained when he got it back?
Ey! Bendis you enormous hack! Over here!- Look it's simple: Xorn was Magneto's fake identity to fool the X-Men. Magneto took that drug ,"Spangles" or whatever, to excess and suffered a split personality. His head fell off and so Magneto died. So did Xorn.
Magneto and Xorn were the same person. Is that too hard to understand, hey Marvel writers, I'm talkin' to you? Anything other than that is rubbish. And only a proper X-fan can tell you about after that, because once Morrison left it was "ta-ta" from me.
I'm sure we can rustle up an X-fan for you.
If Magneto and Xorn had a conversation it would consist of Magneto saying: "Where is Xorn?" He would put his Xorn helmet on,then say "I am here, but where is Magneto?" He would then take off his Xorn helmet and put on his Magneto helmet, saying "Pah! The fool Xorn has fled!" And so on.
(Guess at which point I vowed never to read New Avengers again. That's right! When Xorn bobbed into view like an enormous non-sequitur shaped turd. "Xorn!" screamed the caption. "Oh p&ss off",I replied. I mean I can get people to insult my intelligence for free, I'm not going to pay for it.)
You distracted me OKComics, I have a proper post about continuity, but your fiendish evil has triumphed again. For now.
I suppose with any character it depends on the writer and how they want to put their personal view of the character across so if one writer wants to have wolverine heal alot slower then so be it but if another wants him to heal alot faster then he heals faster, it's the same with alot of characters they tweak 'em to make em how they wanna make em.
From what I knew, Xorn was mutant in china who supposedly had a star for a brain (!) and was pretty powerful. He joined the X-men. Then after some tricks and betryals, he revealed himself to be Magneto in disguise, destroyed a section of New York and killed Jean Grey. H ewas then killed by Wolverine or Cyclops (info says wolverine tho i thought I saw a panal showing Cyclops blasting his head through the helmet). Then it was revealed that it wasn't Magneto, as Magneto was in Genosha the whole time with Xavier. Then awhile later the X-Men ran into another chinses mutant whos name escapes me, who said he had a brother called Xorn who was possessed or something.
I really liked the whole footnote things in Marvel comics. It made things feel like an adventure, a saga y'know? At the mo' its all over the place. JM, don't get me wrong I'm loving most of it. But i can understand why they can't do the footnotes anymore. None of them would make any sense. You'd need whole pages dedicated to explaining why characters like Rogue were on two teams, in a parallel universe and dating Magneto at the same time.
I never really liked the footnotes, it always seemed that if it was actually relevant then it should be part of the story, not stuck in some other book with a big arrow saying "buy this if you want to understand what's going on". I am not really a fan of the 'rich continuity' style, especially now that there are dozens of origins for every character...
My favourite use of footnotes was in "The Intimates" by Joe Casey - almost every page had a few lines at the bottom that provided background, facts, and random weirdness.
That's certainly true, they were a bit of a sales tool - "Read this and you'll find another 20 footnotes in a collection of other comics we want you to buy."
I'm with Walkin X on this. Xorn was a great character when he was just Xorn the school teacher. I didn't like that he turned out to be Magneto, it seemed like a real afterthought. The Bendis Xorn stuff is the worst stuff Bendis has written since 1984. (the year, not the book).
It looks great. Doc Savage "Thank God He's Here", The Shadow, Flash, Ellison and something new. Well, they are all new in this form, so I am looking forward to it will rabid anticipation.
Sadly small child teething means this may be some time. But hear them I will.
Thanks a great deal!
Hope your week improves. Got to sign off, the teether awakens!
Footnotes in the early Marvel comics were an essential part of creating a cohesive comic reality. The unfortunate side effect of the multitude of titles that are published today is there is no way you can maintain such a situation. DC's Crisis On Infinite Earths was an attempt at creating a stable and credible universe for it's characters to go forward from (at it's simplistic level if there was a glitch in any DC continuity it was claimed to have involved a character from or taken place on one of their multitude of alternate Earths). Unfortunately with the cross pollination of the Ultimate universe, Marvel don't appear to have learnt from DC's mistakes.
If anyone's been reading astonishing X-Men would realise a very important use of Wolverine's abilities. SOLVING WORLD HUNGER All they have to do is slice off abit of his body, watch him heal almost instantaneously then repeat and ship it all off to some starving people.
Having just read wolverine 48, the issue is all about his healing factor. I thought the issue was gonna be abit crap and it was, it was just alot of stuff that had been in previous comics.
Nimbus, when you said that footnotes were essential to creating the 'reality' of the Marvel universe, do you think that could also have been what caused the current problems?
The thinking could have gone like this: 1. All our comics CAN be interlinked. 2. All our comics SHOULD be interlinked. 3. ??? 4. PROFIT!!!
Yeah, I do. Not because of their original use but more because of the amount of titles a publisher spews out. During the 60's Marvel were tied in to a distribution deal with DC that basically restricted the amount of titles that they could publish, making continuity a relatively simple process (they probably published as many a month then as they throw out in a week now). And like I've suggested before at this time there was one editor whether it be Lee or Thomas. Once they broke free of the distribution deal I think things started on the downward slope. As titles span off more titles particularly through the 80's continuity became something that happened by accident. I maybe wrong but I think Image tried interlinking their original core titles with little or no success, probably due in part to the diverse characters of the creators involved. And just looking back over this I think that the last publisher who was able to successfully interlink titles was Valiant, who coincidentally enough were headed by Jim Shooter.
And profit is the only motivation publishers have.
