I'm not sure about the Marc Cesarini book. Is it a novel or a graphic novel? The Weapon X graphic novel that was written and drawn by Barry Windsor Smith is excellent. I know it's been contradicted by more recent story lines but as far as I'm concerned it's the definitive origin for Wolverine. OK Comics does indeed have 3 and 4 of Wolverine Origins, and 5's out this week too.
That was a prose novel, I guess that must be the hardback edition cos of the price tag. And... I have no idea if it's any good.
I was about to say I stay away from prose comic adaptations, but then I remembered I just read It's Superman by Tom De Falco and it was awesome. I did get lucky though, I totally just bought it for the Chris Ware cover.
We don't generally keep them in stock as I've found they don't sell very well.
Back to the subject of the discussion. Silver Fox, if you haven't already done so, check out the Weapon X graphic novel. It tells of how Wolverine was kidnapped and given his metal bones n stuff. Awesome.
I like that kind of stuff. Thank you. People just think its strange me being a girl and being into the whole Weapon X thing. Its dark I know but strangely fascinating...warped, arent!
anyway I will be in later, I have a list as I am on hols for the next fortnight from Monday. So you get some peace lol.
I've got to agree with JM in that the BWS is the definitive Weapon X story which was originally printed in the Marvel Comics Presents fortnightly comic some years ago, I think in 8 page segments.
the talk of novels and such reminded me of the questions I meant to as of OK comics and really if you are on these boards you'd knwo that topics generally don't stick rigidly to their headings.
Alright, i've been after something to do with Wolvie for a while and that sounds like just the ticket, nice and dark! JM, i'll be popping in for a copy next week! Silverfox, you're just gonna have to help me out with the stuff i've missed out on!
Ok, so help me here. Lately Sabretooth told Wolvie that he was his son. Now, the sceptic in me says that he was bluffing but is it true?! And how come Wolvie has his adamantium back? I remember after Magneto ripped the metal out of him, then in the danger room he got his claws out and they were bone. But then a girlfriend at the time told me comics were immature so i stopped reading them (for too long obviously)! And now it turns out Wolvies got his metal back! How? And does he still have the full healing factor?
Whoa, this is a really OLD storyline but here goes. Wolverine was the Horseman - Death.
He was kidnapped by Apocalypse who set up a duel: Wolverine v Sabretooth with Adamantium. Both parties were brainwashed and Sabretooth got injured. For the trophy, Sabretooth was stripped of the Adamantium (how Wolverine got it back). This is how Wolverine became Death. He later fought the X-men, continually brainwashed. His face was hidden begind a scarf so he wasnt recognised. Jubilee later came to his rescue and helped him return to his normal self.
Hey Ms Fox! Thanks, wow that was an old one! Wolvie rocks but the whole scarf thing must've been like Superman wearing glasses to disguise himself! The three foot-long claw's pertruding from each wrist, a feral attitude and calling everyone "Bub" surely must've rang some alarm bells?!
What happened to Wolverines older brother from the empty grave in Origin?
What's the deal with this new 'Son of Wolverine' who apparently hates him, like Kevin the Teenager? Was that sign posted earlier or is it totally out of the blue?
When Wolverine get's burned or caught in an explosion his hair always grows back really quickly, but how does it know to stay short at the back and long on top?
Do you remember the 'Marvel Comics Presents' story where Wolverine was a Canadian Mountain Man fighting Injuns? What issues was it in? It was awesome, like Jeremiah Johnson or something...
I wanna know why, Wolverine doesn't have the strongest healing ability in Marvel, yet he blatently does and is pretty much unkillable yet, a bunch of goons form the Hand managed to kill him and then ressurect him?
Also did he truley "die" or was it just knocking him out and brainwashing him? And if he is walking dead then why does he bleed normally unlike the undead ninjas?
and why does his hair always grow to a certain length and stop wolverine should need around 64 hair cuts a day if that how his healing factor works. its madness
I would love to see an issue where wolverines hair grows back wrong, like a mullet or a comb over. Having said that, we all assume that his hair grows back. Maybe it's an extravagant toupee? Maybe he combs his back hair up his neck and over his head ... apologies if this means you'll never be able to look at wolvie the same way again.
Like sometimes its shorter and combed almost straight back and other times its as big as he is and twice as wide and when it is how the hell does he fit it all under his mask without it looking weird? I mean surely you'd see the hair all crunched under there but no its also a smooth mask he has on.
But if his hair grows like that and fast due to his healing factor, wouldn't he hack it off, put the mask on and then find the hair gowing uder the mask, disorting it?
Wolverine is the dude, the man, the bees knees, the mutts nuts, the bacon in the goats cheese salad of life, mmm. Doubters consider yourself lucky, he could so easily have been more like TeenWolf.
His mysterious past and his bad ass attitude with a pretty cool power plus additons of claws.
He does lose fights, he just doesnt die.
Superman has lost to who in his years? Doomsday and....a handful of people. Thats why people diss Superman.
Wolverine has risen to become one of th emost recognised and favorite super heros of all time and he doesnt even have as long a hostory in real time as Superman and Batman and others. Thats impressive.
There is only Spiderman in the Marvel world that is more recognised and favoured in the real world then Wolverine.
I have seen 100 years into the future and Earth has been renamed Wolverinia. Buildings are moulded from shiny unbreakable metal and all humans have 90% body hair coverage. "Hey bub" is a standard greeting and no-one has any idea who their father, mother or children are.
isnt that the same in gipton except buildings are boreded up with metal plate everyone says "ere mush" and no-one has any idea who their father, mother or children are.
the mutts nuts....genius, i dunno why people diss superman, a few of my friends say he's too this and too that but he's like the most recognisable comic character ever along with batman and spiderman (in my opinon)
(some) people diss superman because they think he is just a bit overpowered, and you cant have suspense in a story if you're already certain of the outcome.
that said, i'm not the biggest superman fan but i do believe that, when handled carefully he can make for good stories.
at one point i was like some and had no interest in any superman stories at all, but now i would read certain ones, depending on whos behind it, or if it looks like a especially good story
Superman is THE iconic superhero. Wolverine is not, but you'd never describe Superman as "the man". Maybe if Superman had a catch phrase like "its showtime!" or "good morning good evening and goodnight ...", this has got me thinking ...
Superman is iconic but at least Wolverine wasn't born on the back of screwing his creators over. Those poor guys that made superman, th elogo, how his name is written, the backstory and everything got $150 for the lot and died near broke, while the companyt made millions and a name. Shocking.
I'd like to have Superman's powers myself but as a comic charcter I don't follow him that much. I'll watch the films, the tv series and I'll borrow the grpahic novels form the libaray to read and I'd buy a crossover with marvel with him in it but I don't think I'd ever be a comic buying Superman fan.
That's so wierd. You want the powers and I practically DO have supermans powers! Its true, apart from the superspeed and superstrength I'm there. Oh and the lasers from my eyes, and the xray vision. And the flying thing. I'm totally there. I'm sure its just a matter of time before these extra abilities manifest ...
Hey, we have all thought about being heros and while yes Superman is near unstoppable and that may mean less fun in a battle, you don't wann go out on your first time and get shot by a mugger and die coz that would just be embrassing.
Whoa, that's incredible! Only, i wouldn't publicise that too much otherwise you may find government-financed organisations tracking you down to experiment on you, scientifically, with equipment. Personally, with a gift like that, i'd buy a funky suit, cape and create an alter ego. Possibly wear glasses and give yourself a side parting to confuse people.
Seigel and Shuster weren't paid $150 for creating an international icon with marketing rights and movies, TV series and cartoons. They were paid $150 for doing a comic which was designed to sell advertising and only expected to last a few months. They probably got paid the same for creating the Henry Duval comics but nobody remembers that. DC should definately made fanancial ammends with them before they died. I always think it's kind of weird to think that Superman, Batman and everyone else were created by Seigel, Shuster, Bob Kane. The Superheroes on our shelves are the product of hundreds of writers and artists work. A character tweek here an updated origin there. My favorite golden age comic creator is William Moulton Marston who not only created Wonderwoman but also invented the polygraph lie detector.
it is wrong how DC ripped them off, but that wasn't all they got in the end...
over the years they tried a number of lawsuits and in 1975 warner communications sorted them out with an annual pension for the rest of their lives, still not as much as DC/warner made, but certainly more than $150
I recommend everyone should read The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay, this'll give you some idea of how desperate comic creators were and how please they were with what they were paid, at the time. In fact, just read it 'cos it's an awesome book.
Not "giants" literally, I mean, Gil Kane was quite tall but I don't think he suffered from giantism. Anyhoo it's a good book, not as dry as you may think.
Jack Kirby was 3 feet 11 inches tall, he wore his trousers pulled up under his armpits, smoked cigars to big for him to hold in one hand and talked like a Noo Yoik wise guy.
ok now that was wrong. Listen here. Jack Kirby is a god in comics. Without him there is no Captain America, Fantastic Four, X-Men and many others. He's one of the fathers of the Marvel age of comics. Show him respect. I've never met the man myself but he would role over in his grave the way you speak. He is the King of comics.
Wolverine has the best healing in comics and theh Hand story he never really did die. He can only die 1 way. We all know how to kill him and they didn't do that. He was brainwashed but got out of it. His hair grows back the way everything else does on him. Note also each artist draws his hair differently.
Not also Wolverine is one of the best fighters in the Marvel universe. Likely only second to Captain America. I might put Taskmaster ahead of him.
Hmm, Wolverine, the best fighter in the Marvel Universe? Ok, i'll go with that ... but as for there being only one way to kill him? I don't think so. Let us assume that his bones are coated in indestructible metal, his nerves and brain and vital organs are not. Falling into vat of acid would probably kill him. Having the nerves surrounding his spine bruised or severed would probably kill him. A really big scare could arrest his heart and kill him. See, many ways to kill him.
Here's a question. Wolvie has a healing factor which allows parts of his body to heal faster than normal people, but in a normal person the brain doesn't heal at all. It stops growing and replicating cells at about 15 yrs. So does Wolves brain regenerate too? That would explain so many things! The amount of trauma his head must have suffered in fights and his brain regenerating would mean that he would practically have a completely different brain to the one he had at 20. Surely by now he'd have a completely different personality?
Well his healing factor does affect his brain. The reason he couldnt remember all of his past before the recent events of M Day, was that his healing factor "healed over" bad an dtrumatic memories. So he forgot them. So I guess the brain is affected by hus healing power.
All the sites of profiles and such say Deadpool has the strongest healing ability. Tho I reckon Wolverine muts do or come close.
Cutting his head off and detaching it away from his body is the "only way" to kill him right?
Has him and Captain America ever had a 1 on 1, full out, knock down, drag out fight? I'd like to see it.
When Savage Dragon got cut in half each half grew the other half back and there were two of him. I think he keeps the spare in a cupboard. And I wasn't being disrespectful to Jack Kirby. Everything I said was true. He was a great artist, in every sense of the word. At least I didn't make any allegations questioning his alibi the day Joe Maneely was 'accidentally' killed.... That could get me in trouble.
tho Ultimate Wolverine is different from mianstream Wolverine.
The Adamantimum isn't as strong in the Ultimate world and didn't Ultimate Wolverine get torn in half by the Ultimate Hulk and survive?? Has he grown his legs back yet?
Yup, drowning would do it. Especially drowning in acid. If the hulk ripped him in half, and then drowned him in acid, i think that would be sufficient. No diggity.
well what is it the grows him back if theres a hair cell can he grow him self from that. in wolverine nitro blew him into just a skeleton yet the rest of him grew from that!
Begining to seems like that Fantasia scene, you can cut up Wolverine into as smallest pieces as you can, but he always comes back. Maybe that's why he's shorter than the average X-Man.
Holy crap he was blown to a skelton and survived????
Mind you, in the back story in where he was in a Nazi concentration camp they said he survived being placed into the furnaces so I guess its not that surprising.
Wolverine is basically like T1000 in Terminator. His entire body can regenerate from one drop of blood, if needs be. The only thing that can really kill him is the Muramasa Blade ;(
Note he did grow back his hand. It just took longer in AOA because of unforseen reasons. Weapon X didn't think it would grow back and if you recall was shocked the claws still where there
it grew back. Not in the first series though. We see the claws are still there in the first group of AOA books. I believe he has his hand return fully by the last AOA series.
Do you think he's as bothered about cutting himself whilst shaving? Do you think the claws come out involuntary when he's enjoying himself? Would his nipples grow back, if they were cut off?
For Wolverine time heals all wounds, even beyond death. Also any permanent hair removal treatment and waxing scare Wolverine. And I believe that his hair and scalp is an entity in itself, growing to that specific shape and length, much like the venom or carnage symbiote.
Y'know i think thats right. Actually, maybe the hair and scalp IS wolverine and the rest of him is actually an alien lifeform ...
And I'm sure he's had many mishaps with his claws along the way. Imagine if you will, Logan as a young man meeting his first girlfriend's father, shaking him by the hand and accidentally impaling him. Or the time he administered first aid to that small girl. He placed the child in the recovery position and felt her neck's pulse, accidently impaling her. The list goes on ...
Yep. I will see what I can do. Be warned its out of proportion because I started in a daft place!...opinions are welcome. Its finding time to finish it - I work all week. My spare time is usually taken up with internet, Xbox: X-men Legends (i love it but God am I slow!!) and drawing
I wondered is wolverine origins going to be an on going series that lasts like 60 issues because i got the impression that it was just going to be a mini series? Also found a level i missed on x-men legends 2 but forgot to save it before i started the level so i have to keep fighting the boss from the previous level and then carry on with the level i found, very frustrating.
I have only just started X-men Legends 2. Bought it last week. On the first one, I am struggling with getting off the Astral Plane. I completed it but it sent me back to Weapon X! I currently have 18 lives with Jean & Emma. Cant seem to kill the 2nd Warped Synapse
(i should have started another thread lol)...well I am glad you understand the frustration!
Weird, looking back I can never recall actually finishing X-Men Legends. X-Men Legends 2 I finished almost 100%, I did practically everything, except build up all of their levels to max. Also Marvel Ultimate Alliance is set to be like X-Men Legends in terms of gameplay I think.
Silver Fox died in Logan`s memory - raped & her throat slit by Sabertooth, allegedly. In Wolverine Origins 5 there are strong clues to her still existing. I havent read 6 yet so....Please dont spoil it!
IF she really is dead, then i will be inconsolable. She appeared in the cartoon episode: Weapon X, Lies & Videotape. Possibly the best episode ever! Part of the reason Wolverine & Sabertooth hate each other so much goes back to their Team X days. The Shiva Scenario will give you more info: Dreams of Gore - Wolverine 48, 49 & 50
Well Shield genetic testing ruled out that Sabretooth is not his son but the tests showed their was a genetic link, so they are related somewhere along the line.